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	<title>Comments on: Single Certification Means Good-bye to Med Techs (MTs) and Clinical Lab Scientists (CLSs)!</title>
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		<title>By: Elaine B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elaine B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 18:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a medical laboratory student, I now realize that I have a lot of work to do.  There are so many complaints about a lack of respect and pay that I feel that this attitude surrounds the profession.  I pose this question, Why do you not change this yourselves?  For example, women have the right to vote because women fought against overwhelming odds.  I am glad there is a single licensing agency now, and glad that it&#039;s ASCP.  From an outsiders point of view, it seems the more reputable of the two.  

It seems that there is more complaining here, than actual organizing.  
&quot;If you don&#039;t like something, change it. If you can&#039;t change it, change your attitude. Don&#039;t complain.&quot; Maya Angelou</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a medical laboratory student, I now realize that I have a lot of work to do.  There are so many complaints about a lack of respect and pay that I feel that this attitude surrounds the profession.  I pose this question, Why do you not change this yourselves?  For example, women have the right to vote because women fought against overwhelming odds.  I am glad there is a single licensing agency now, and glad that it&#8217;s ASCP.  From an outsiders point of view, it seems the more reputable of the two.  </p>
<p>It seems that there is more complaining here, than actual organizing.<br />
&#8220;If you don&#8217;t like something, change it. If you can&#8217;t change it, change your attitude. Don&#8217;t complain.&#8221; Maya Angelou</p>
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		<title>By: RS Boydston</title>
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		<dc:creator>RS Boydston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 20:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I despise ASCP for many of the aforementioned reasons and therefore chose to be certified by AMT as an MT.  I see no further reason to continue any education in this field.  I have been an MT for almost two decades now and have seen no positive change in this field.  I have watch several Universities close and the quality of MLTs from tech schools decline.  Pay is substandard but respect from other hospital personnel is non-existent.  RNs no nothing of lab techs and consider us all idiots.  Most lab administrators perpetuate this by not defending our interests.  I truly believe this IS a dieing field.  In Georgia to (apparently) address the shortage of MTs state govt decided to repeal legislation that forbids OJT of lab techs.  This will only perpetuate other hospital&#039;s poor impression of lab professionals.  Unless something seriously significant changes soon, I see no further reason to stay in this field.  The ASCP NCA merger will do little since there are still several other certification agencies.  It is true to form for ASCP thinking they are the one and only.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I despise ASCP for many of the aforementioned reasons and therefore chose to be certified by AMT as an MT.  I see no further reason to continue any education in this field.  I have been an MT for almost two decades now and have seen no positive change in this field.  I have watch several Universities close and the quality of MLTs from tech schools decline.  Pay is substandard but respect from other hospital personnel is non-existent.  RNs no nothing of lab techs and consider us all idiots.  Most lab administrators perpetuate this by not defending our interests.  I truly believe this IS a dieing field.  In Georgia to (apparently) address the shortage of MTs state govt decided to repeal legislation that forbids OJT of lab techs.  This will only perpetuate other hospital&#8217;s poor impression of lab professionals.  Unless something seriously significant changes soon, I see no further reason to stay in this field.  The ASCP NCA merger will do little since there are still several other certification agencies.  It is true to form for ASCP thinking they are the one and only.</p>
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		<title>By: labrat</title>
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		<dc:creator>labrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well we want a certification and organization that is not led by the pathologists to take the lead...but look at the results you get when people ask about the ONE known group that does just that--AMT???  If someone says they are AMT certified, the ASCP techs jump all over them for being &quot;less educated&quot; or &quot;less qualified&quot;.  I just liked the idea that the group was about ME and my job, not about the lab, the pathologist or endless QC! Plus it was CHEAPER to be a freaking member and to keep up my cert!

BY the way, AMT requires a bachelors for the MT as well....it doesn&#039;t have to be in MTechnology, but you do have to have a bachelors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well we want a certification and organization that is not led by the pathologists to take the lead&#8230;but look at the results you get when people ask about the ONE known group that does just that&#8211;AMT???  If someone says they are AMT certified, the ASCP techs jump all over them for being &#8220;less educated&#8221; or &#8220;less qualified&#8221;.  I just liked the idea that the group was about ME and my job, not about the lab, the pathologist or endless QC! Plus it was CHEAPER to be a freaking member and to keep up my cert!</p>
<p>BY the way, AMT requires a bachelors for the MT as well&#8230;.it doesn&#8217;t have to be in MTechnology, but you do have to have a bachelors.</p>
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		<title>By: MMarie</title>
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		<dc:creator>MMarie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jean I feel your pain, I also took the HEW exam. In fact I took it in 1987 the last time it was offered right after getting my AAS in clinical lab. I also took the ASCP MLT and the NCA CLT. I was told at the time that the HEW certification gave me the title of Medical Technologist. That is what I have been for 23 years now. I have been in several supervisory positions including as a Lab manager and currently am a technical supervisor. Today I was informed that the hospital I work at has decided to raise the pay of the MT&#039;s and Phlebotomists, leave the MLTs at current pay rate and I will now be considered an MLT because my two associates degrees, 23 years and HEW does not qualify me to be called an MT. Now I have to wonder what next? Will they decide I am suddenly not qualified to be a supervisor despite my years of experience? And now I am paid less than the tech with a BS in fine arts because she qualified to take the AMT MT exam. I love my job but have to wonder what the future holds for me and other HEW MT&#039;s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jean I feel your pain, I also took the HEW exam. In fact I took it in 1987 the last time it was offered right after getting my AAS in clinical lab. I also took the ASCP MLT and the NCA CLT. I was told at the time that the HEW certification gave me the title of Medical Technologist. That is what I have been for 23 years now. I have been in several supervisory positions including as a Lab manager and currently am a technical supervisor. Today I was informed that the hospital I work at has decided to raise the pay of the MT&#8217;s and Phlebotomists, leave the MLTs at current pay rate and I will now be considered an MLT because my two associates degrees, 23 years and HEW does not qualify me to be called an MT. Now I have to wonder what next? Will they decide I am suddenly not qualified to be a supervisor despite my years of experience? And now I am paid less than the tech with a BS in fine arts because she qualified to take the AMT MT exam. I love my job but have to wonder what the future holds for me and other HEW MT&#8217;s</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 05:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This thread is just full of misinformation. Art and Gigi are way off.

First off, its AMT and AAB are the certs that do NOT require a Bachelor’s degree. Both NCA and ASCP did/do. For you to say otherwise is just flat out wrong. 

Second yes, NCA had routes for you to become a CLS if you had a bachelors degree in another area (IE Biology, Chemistry) accompanied with experience and/or an AS MLT degree, but so did ASCP. Their routes were VERY similar. The only major difference was ASCP required more experience in an area, but otherwise the route was the same. 

To say it “degrades” the certification for the two to combine is absolutely ridiculous. You had to fulfill those requirements to be able to take the certification test and again it was similar for both certs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This thread is just full of misinformation. Art and Gigi are way off.</p>
<p>First off, its AMT and AAB are the certs that do NOT require a Bachelor’s degree. Both NCA and ASCP did/do. For you to say otherwise is just flat out wrong. </p>
<p>Second yes, NCA had routes for you to become a CLS if you had a bachelors degree in another area (IE Biology, Chemistry) accompanied with experience and/or an AS MLT degree, but so did ASCP. Their routes were VERY similar. The only major difference was ASCP required more experience in an area, but otherwise the route was the same. </p>
<p>To say it “degrades” the certification for the two to combine is absolutely ridiculous. You had to fulfill those requirements to be able to take the certification test and again it was similar for both certs.</p>
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		<title>By: Gigi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gigi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Rick and Art. Why are we still under the Pathologists and not our own organization and certification? I have a niece that just got out of Radiology school and is making starting out what I&#039;m making after being in this field for 20 years. I love being a MT but with this merge, I feel like we are being degraded if there is no difference between degreed and non-degreed techs. I worked hard to get a BS and still not even close to the salary that RN&#039;s make. Somethings got to change and I don&#039;t think this merge is it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Rick and Art. Why are we still under the Pathologists and not our own organization and certification? I have a niece that just got out of Radiology school and is making starting out what I&#8217;m making after being in this field for 20 years. I love being a MT but with this merge, I feel like we are being degraded if there is no difference between degreed and non-degreed techs. I worked hard to get a BS and still not even close to the salary that RN&#8217;s make. Somethings got to change and I don&#8217;t think this merge is it.</p>
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		<title>By: hiral</title>
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		<dc:creator>hiral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 05:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to comment on other peoples view here that bs in mt is not required for the exam! actually anybody having science background should be eligible to take the test. And i am  an nca certified and my test was not at all simple! that is why nca and ascp are called equivalent and are merged together. And i believe if somebody can pass nca he/she can pass ascp and vice versa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to comment on other peoples view here that bs in mt is not required for the exam! actually anybody having science background should be eligible to take the test. And i am  an nca certified and my test was not at all simple! that is why nca and ascp are called equivalent and are merged together. And i believe if somebody can pass nca he/she can pass ascp and vice versa.</p>
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		<title>By: hiral</title>
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		<dc:creator>hiral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 05:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After serving this field for 4 years my salary range has not been changed. Paying far less in comparison to other healthcare field and doing the same amount of work with stress.
 Another thing i have noted that ascp has very stringent application process in comparison to other agencies like nca. I did not like the merge, at least people have other options not only ascp.
 And if you want to merge why dont you make only one agency because there are other agencies exit after this also. 
And so true we need to eliminate doctors influence in this field and make it independent. After all this is a critical field like other health care fields.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After serving this field for 4 years my salary range has not been changed. Paying far less in comparison to other healthcare field and doing the same amount of work with stress.<br />
 Another thing i have noted that ascp has very stringent application process in comparison to other agencies like nca. I did not like the merge, at least people have other options not only ascp.<br />
 And if you want to merge why dont you make only one agency because there are other agencies exit after this also.<br />
And so true we need to eliminate doctors influence in this field and make it independent. After all this is a critical field like other health care fields.</p>
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		<title>By: RICK</title>
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		<dc:creator>RICK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our field is the lowest paying ancillary profession, a BSMT gets paid lower than a AS RN. So your saying this will merger will help the field? WRONG!!

We have MD influence in our field, that is why we are paid terrible, we need to take care of our own field and not have the ASCP logo with LABORATORY SCIENCE. 

RN, PT, Pharmacy, have NO MD influence, they are paid well. They take care of their own certification and licensing board. There is no MD influence. 

Our field will forever be a stepping stone to better paying fields like pharmacy, physical therapy. 

I had 24 people graduate with me in my CLS/MT program, only two are left (myself included). I am trying to get into pharmacy schools were they have standards, no MD influence, and one of the highest paying ancillary fields out there. 

This field will always have a shortage, the new BOC, has 5 MD on the board, do we have lab techs on a MD board? How is having MD&#039;s going to help our career by attracting students and increasing salaries so people would want to stay in the field?

Good luck, as you see more hospitals are hiring MLT&#039;s b/c the students at the university levels are interesting in a field with potential not a dead end field like the laboratory were the MD&#039;s could care less if a chimp or human was pushing buttons as long as they can lace their own pockets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our field is the lowest paying ancillary profession, a BSMT gets paid lower than a AS RN. So your saying this will merger will help the field? WRONG!!</p>
<p>We have MD influence in our field, that is why we are paid terrible, we need to take care of our own field and not have the ASCP logo with LABORATORY SCIENCE. </p>
<p>RN, PT, Pharmacy, have NO MD influence, they are paid well. They take care of their own certification and licensing board. There is no MD influence. </p>
<p>Our field will forever be a stepping stone to better paying fields like pharmacy, physical therapy. </p>
<p>I had 24 people graduate with me in my CLS/MT program, only two are left (myself included). I am trying to get into pharmacy schools were they have standards, no MD influence, and one of the highest paying ancillary fields out there. </p>
<p>This field will always have a shortage, the new BOC, has 5 MD on the board, do we have lab techs on a MD board? How is having MD&#8217;s going to help our career by attracting students and increasing salaries so people would want to stay in the field?</p>
<p>Good luck, as you see more hospitals are hiring MLT&#8217;s b/c the students at the university levels are interesting in a field with potential not a dead end field like the laboratory were the MD&#8217;s could care less if a chimp or human was pushing buttons as long as they can lace their own pockets.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean Heil Otte, MT (AAB)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean Heil Otte, MT (AAB)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn&#039;t it be wonderful if all the different Laboratory Registeries could merge together as one and not just ASCP-NCA. Why is AAB not included in this merger?
 
As a Registered Medical Technologist (AAB) who passed the HEW testing offered in the &#039;80&#039;s and fall under the CLIA &quot;88 guidelines, with over 35 years experience working in the Medical Laboratory field I feel ostracized by NCA and ASCP because they will not recognize Medical Technologists like myself. There is already a shortage of good Medical Technologists (CLS) and the merger of ASCP and NCA will just increase the shortage of good Medical Technologists (CLS).
 
I graduated from Gradwohl School of Laboratory Technique and have 35 years of Laboratory experience and I resent that because I do not have a Bachelors degree I should not be considered a Medical Technologist or CLS. I have gone from being a technician, to passing the HEW that quilfied me to be considered a Medical Technologists under CLIA &#039;88 and for the last 9 years worked as a Laboratory Director in a County Hospital. 

Technologists like myself have 10 to 15 years yet to work in the Lab field before we retire, but with the ASCP-NCA merger Techs like myself will be forced out or only be accepted as Medical Technicians or CLT&#039;s, which is unfair after serving the Laboratory profession for over 35 years. Where is the respect and acknowledgement from ASCP and NCA to these people who have served the Laboratory Profession with such dedication?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it be wonderful if all the different Laboratory Registeries could merge together as one and not just ASCP-NCA. Why is AAB not included in this merger?</p>
<p>As a Registered Medical Technologist (AAB) who passed the HEW testing offered in the &#8217;80&#8242;s and fall under the CLIA &#8220;88 guidelines, with over 35 years experience working in the Medical Laboratory field I feel ostracized by NCA and ASCP because they will not recognize Medical Technologists like myself. There is already a shortage of good Medical Technologists (CLS) and the merger of ASCP and NCA will just increase the shortage of good Medical Technologists (CLS).</p>
<p>I graduated from Gradwohl School of Laboratory Technique and have 35 years of Laboratory experience and I resent that because I do not have a Bachelors degree I should not be considered a Medical Technologist or CLS. I have gone from being a technician, to passing the HEW that quilfied me to be considered a Medical Technologists under CLIA &#8217;88 and for the last 9 years worked as a Laboratory Director in a County Hospital. </p>
<p>Technologists like myself have 10 to 15 years yet to work in the Lab field before we retire, but with the ASCP-NCA merger Techs like myself will be forced out or only be accepted as Medical Technicians or CLT&#8217;s, which is unfair after serving the Laboratory profession for over 35 years. Where is the respect and acknowledgement from ASCP and NCA to these people who have served the Laboratory Profession with such dedication?</p>
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		<title>By: Le Ann Watson, MSA,MT(ASCP)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Le Ann Watson, MSA,MT(ASCP)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 17:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Standardization of the certification will simplify and clarify the laboratory professional to the &quot;outside world&quot;.  However, I feel somewhat like &quot;Art&quot; who commented on the equality of background for MT vs NCA.  I knew of some laboratory personnel in the past who could not pass the MT ASCP exam so went for the NCA and became certified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Standardization of the certification will simplify and clarify the laboratory professional to the &#8220;outside world&#8221;.  However, I feel somewhat like &#8220;Art&#8221; who commented on the equality of background for MT vs NCA.  I knew of some laboratory personnel in the past who could not pass the MT ASCP exam so went for the NCA and became certified.</p>
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		<title>By: René J. Buesa, BSc. HTL(ASCP)</title>
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		<dc:creator>René J. Buesa, BSc. HTL(ASCP)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is about time that this finally happened in the US.
From that point of view we just were a &quot;third world country&quot; and our colleagues of the British Commonwealth just did not understand how was it possible the enormous and unnecessary diversity in our licensing system.
Also the lack of uniformity allowed irregularities in hiring practices and salaries in the US. That will come to an end.
René J. Buesa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is about time that this finally happened in the US.<br />
From that point of view we just were a &#8220;third world country&#8221; and our colleagues of the British Commonwealth just did not understand how was it possible the enormous and unnecessary diversity in our licensing system.<br />
Also the lack of uniformity allowed irregularities in hiring practices and salaries in the US. That will come to an end.<br />
René J. Buesa</p>
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		<title>By: art</title>
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		<dc:creator>art</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dislike NCA since even though you dont have BS in CLS or MT, you can still take the exam and then be classified as a MT. In my opinion that just lowers the standards for the rest of us.  Decreases our pay and basically tells me that anyone with a BS degree can do what we do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dislike NCA since even though you dont have BS in CLS or MT, you can still take the exam and then be classified as a MT. In my opinion that just lowers the standards for the rest of us.  Decreases our pay and basically tells me that anyone with a BS degree can do what we do.</p>
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